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    Kansas State House Passes Bill Allowing Refusal Of Services To Same-Sex Couples

    The Kansas state House advanced a bill on Tuesday aimed at granting public and private employees the right to deny services, including unemployment benefits and foster care, to same-sex couples on the basis of religious freedom.

    Largely backed by Republican state lawmakers in response to recent rulings in favor of marriage equality in neighboring states, House Bill 2453 passed an initial vote by a 72-42 margin. A final House vote is set for Wednesday, after which the bill will head to the Republican-controlled Senate.

    State Rep. Charles Macheers (R), one of the bill’s staunchest advocates, argued that the provision was designed to prevent discrimination against religious individuals during a speech on the House floor Tuesday.

    "Discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill," Macheers said. "There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that."

    While government agencies would still be mandated to render services to Kansans, individual clerks would be empowered to refuse assistance to individuals that violated their religious beliefs on marriage.

    "To me it really talks to the fact that an employer or even a governmental entity ... could not provide services," Kansas state lawmaker Emily Perry (D-Mission) said on HuffPost Live Tuesday. Perry warned of a situation in which a police officer arriving at the scene of a domestic violence dispute between a gay couple could potentially endanger the complainant by refusing protective services.

    "My issue with that, is in domestic violence situations, minutes and seconds make the difference between life and death," Perry explained. "We don't want these public servants to be able to arrive at the scene of the crime, and decide that because of their religious beliefs, they don't want to offer services."

    Breaking from her party’s overwhelming support for the bill, state Rep. Barbara Bollier (R) also voiced concern over the legislation’s implications.

    "I do not believe it is ever on the right side of history to be allowed to discriminate against people," Bollier said Tuesday, according to the Kansas City Star. "Enough said."

    "Kansas would be the first state to legalize discrimination on the part of employees -- government employees," Holly Weatherford, spokeswoman for the Kansas chapter of the ACLU, told the Kansas City Star on Tuesday.

    Days before the Kansas legislature’s debate over House Bill 2453, Attorney General Eric Holder officially announced a new set of federal benefit expansions to same-sex couples in legally recognized marriages. The Obama administration’s new policy came after the Supreme Court's ruling in June that invalidated the Defense of Marriage Act’s federal ban on same-sex marriage.

    "In every courthouse, in every proceeding and in every place where a member of the Department of Justice stands on behalf of the United States, they will strive to ensure that same-sex marriages receive the same privileges, protections and rights as opposite-sex marriages under federal law," Holder told the Human Rights Campaign on Saturday.
    Despicable ****s. The idea of allowing public servants to deny service to gay couples is repulsive, and would end up with some absolute horror stories. What exactly happens if every staff member in a branch of public service decided they don't want to render help to a gay couple?

    The GOP should just die now. Sick ****s.

  • #2
    I love how their personal "freedom of religion" is supposed to entail denying freedom to others. As usual the religious right are the sh!t stains of our country. You just know these dirtbags are the same types of people who used to claim they had a right to deny equal treatment to blacks, jews, native Americans, Asians, and everyone else. But it has always been the right wing who has had these sorts of people as their base.
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    • #3
      The only good news is such discriminatory state level laws will so get stomped on by the 14th amendment and eventually not only will the bigots see their precious law shot down but the individual establishments which actually enacted such garbage will probably get sued out of existence. As a few gay couples get awarded multimillion dollar judgements and then have the money to move out of that backwards place life might just get better for them while the world gets better as the bigots are forced to declare bankruptcy.
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      • #4
        It's my religious freedom to not give unemployment benefits to godless sodomites who were fired because it was someone else's religious freedom to not employ godless sodomites.

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        • #5
          1. While I am unfamiliar with Kansas politics, I seriously doubt anyone concerned was silly enough to expect this to stand up to judicial review. More likely it's a simple fundraising maneuver; when this is inevitably struck down, every supporter can point to his valiant but futile efforts to stand up to the ****** menace as a clear sign that more help is needed.
          2. That tilde is an interesting typo. I'm guessing it was supposed to be an !, but you missed the shift key and moved your finger too far to the left?
          3. I am always baffled by the naive, yet vain assumptions underlying the phrase "the right side of history."
          4. Dinner, as always, oversimplifies.
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          • #6
            There's probably a "right side of history" if a man in the sky is orchestrating everything that happens with a purpose in mind...

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            • #7
              That depends on one's assumptions. Of every person's individual history? Certainly. But the notion of a providentially guided course that can be assumed to be "right" simply because it happened is hard to defend. And pointless to argue from a theological perspective, given the sheer number of unknowns at work WRT the relationship between Creator and Creation.
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              • #8
                Liberals don't deny people freedom cauze their ... um liberalz.
                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                • #9
                  But please don't turn this into a religion argument. Don't get me wrong, you and Ken are the two most open-minded of the argumentative atheists on here, but it's still a massive time-suck I don't want to get into.

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                  • #10
                    Cough... cough... nazis anyone?

                    Last edited by Serb; February 12, 2014, 15:13.

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                    • #11
                      This is legal everywhere, you can refuse to sell/buy something to/from someone for whatever reason you like and that's a good thing.

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                      • #12
                        Hey reg, I gotta ask you something... and I'm being serious here.

                        Do you put thought into the things you believe? I mean, do you look at what is, for the most part, objective notions of right and wrong and then purposely choose the "wrong"?
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          What the heck is an "objective" notion of right and wrong?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Elok View Post
                            2. That tilde is an interesting typo.
                            Can't find any tilde - do you mean grave ?
                            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                            Steven Weinberg

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                            • #15
                              Hitler would soooo be a liberal.
                              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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